Christmas on December 25 . Dodwell wrote in 1689, so you aren’t exactly referring to cutting edge scholarship. The obvious question to ask, therefore, is why the hell “Philosophical Atheism” posted this laughable junk? Second, they sicced the Emperor on heretics, dishing out exactly what they suffered years earlier. Your email address will not be published. Christianity did not start out as a unified movement. Unfortunately Jerome is simply noting that Judith was considered scriptural in that it was referred to in the deliberations of the Council. On October 28, 312, Constantine marched on Rome and met Maxentius at the Milvian Bridge. Rome became a Christian empire. he did not change the words but what books were let in and out. None of the accounts of the Council from the time give so much as a hint about any such event, so Voltaire was clearly working from much later sources. The whole idea of a “canon” of accepted and authoritative works pre-dates Christianity and began with the development of schools of Greek philosophy. Bede called it a a "reprobate" synod, and Paul the Deacon an "erratic" one. So we rely on careful analysis to give us assessments of likelihood. In 325 AD Constantine convened the Council of Nicaea, the first empire-wide meeting of church leaders to discuss various controversies. The message of the texts from 200 AD is the same as those from 1200 AD. I quote from the book: “There were indeed references to reincarnation in the Old and New Testaments. As Ehrman notes above, far from being determined by one council and an emperor in 325 AD, the formation of the Christian canon was one of slow development over several centuries. Constantine's Bible is at large a history of the development of scripture and of the NT canon. Peter never believed in Paul as part of them but Paul’s books are in. Almost all themes in the Bible have their origins in the Old Testament, which predates by hundreds of years the influence of Constantine and even that of the Church. After all, the meme’s bizarre grammar and reference to “Black Ankhwakening” – a crackpot Afrocentrist/Black Revisionist group – should have been a signal that this needed to be checked carefully. So it appears to have found its way via its publication by the Lutheran theologian Johannes Pappus (1549-1610) to Philippe Labbé’s appendix and thus to Voltaire. Of course there is the problem that Constantine spoke Latin since he rule the Roman Empire. So later followers of some philosophical traditions developed rules by which they decided which works were genuine and which were pseudepigraphical forgeries – the word “canon” comes from the Greek κανών meaning “rule”, or literally “measuring stick”. There he met with far more success, and Marcionite churches sprang up which embraced his idea of two Gods and used his canon of eleven scriptural works. It only betrays a very modern obsession with TRVTH, totally atypical for Antiquity. Neither the Catholic Church, nor Constantine changed the Bible. Constantine’s Bible The King James Bible is written in English -- a language that only began to appear in A.D. 449 and was totally unlike the 1600's style of speaking the language. For instance, Muratorian fragment, one of the most popular documentary evidences, dates back to the end of the 2nd century and was named after an Italian scholar. a tinfoil hatter …. They may also have had copies of a few of them, but have only heard of others (since copies of any books were expensive and precious). Call me naive – I think it’s anti-atheist. I quote from the book: “There were indeed references to reincarnation in the Old and New Testaments. He then imposed much more uniformity, but you are overstating the diversity of forms in the early fourth century. Justin was generally writing for a non-Christian audience, so he generally used the long established technical term for works memorialising the deeds and sayings of great teachers (ἀπομνημονεύματα, memoirs), rather than the purely Christian term for books about the sayings and deeds of Jesus (εὐαγγέλιον, gospel). A classic example of this was the dispute over the nature of Christ that led the Roman emperor Constantine the Great to convene the Council of Nicaea (in modern-day western Turkey) in A.D. 325. Simple – because it’s anti-Christian. The Origin of the Myth This is something I see over and over again with people who have great confidence in their private theories about fringe ideas despite not actually knowing what the hell they’re talking about. Thus another great victory has been won for “rationalism” and “free thought”. They are just fanatics who post whatever tickles their emotional and irrational prejudices. See “Dunning-Kruger Effect”. of recent bishops to the ranks of cardinals in Rome. Find her on Instagram. So it’s clear that the process of deciding which texts were canonical and which were not was already well under way over a century before the Emperor Constantine was even born. People often wonder if the gospels were changed or corrupted, or even selected (in some back-room conspiracy) for inclusion in the Bible at this time. Lactantius Historical Account. Do you, personally, look around at all the competing ideas and decide which one gives you the most power, regardless of whether it's true or nonsense, and then espouse that? He made several mentions of the idea that the Biblical canon was decided at the Council of Nicaea in his Dictionnaire Philosophique (1764), noting with amusement the rather silly way the Council supposedly chose the relevant books: “Il est rapporté dans le supplément du concile de Nicée que les Pères étant fort embarrassés pour savoir quels étaient les livres cryphes ou apocryphes de l’Ancien et du Nouveau Testament, les mirent tous pêle-mêle sur un autel; et les livres à rejeter tombèrent par terre. Constantine saw that the pagan gods failed to protect their worshipers. Far from accepting his teachings, the council excommunicated him and he left Rome in disgust, returning to Asia Minor. People often wonder if the gospels were changed or corrupted, or even selected (in some back-room conspiracy) for inclusion in the Bible at this time. One of the most beloved presidents of the USA, FDR, lied about his intentions regarding WW-2. In the Oration of Eusebius, XVIII, Eusebius relates how Constantine made the Church of the Holy Sepulchre to be deemed the place of Jesus' burial.Apparently, Eusebius is using faint praise or sly coded words (likely the latter) to reveal to the re ader not to trust Constantine because he claimed inspiration. Thus, Emperor Constantine has always been associated with the Bible and enough documentary proof is available to both corroborate and contradict the fact. It seems to me that even JM’s, no matter how silly their quack, should not have any problems with it. You’ve got that backwards. The Holy Bible: Texts of shady origin collected by competing bishops on order of politically motivated Roman Emperor Constantine to stabilize his empire and since then repeatedly adapted to suit the needs of contemporary rulers and clergy, but never made to comply with reality. Again, once Christianity ceased to be a marginalised and periodically persecuted outsider sect, that entanglement was inevitable. Christianity “started out” as a Jewish sect focused on the idea that Jesus was the Messiah. The "hijacking" idea makes sense only to people who believe there is no truth. A vast majority of atheists, if they believed what is written here, if they did not believe that Constantine created the Bible, that Jesus wasn’t a “myth”, and that no person believed that Jesus rose from the dead, until they aggrandized his story several decades and centuries later, there would be almost no atheists in America. He is well known in the history of Rome for ensuring that Christianity became the official religion of the whole Roman Empire. Why not? Majority or historical approval mean nothing to me: the way is narrow. And the Synodikon account of Nicaea concludes: “The canonical and apocryphal books it distinguished in the following manner: in the house of God the books were placed down by the holy altar; then the Council asked the Lord in prayer that the inspired works be found on top and – as in fact happened – the spurious on the bottom.”. Dungan, a student of early Christianity who has published studies It rejected the truth of Gnosticism and featured the 4 Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, Paul’s thirteen epistles, John’s three epistles, and Jude, the Apocalypses of John and Peter. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Am I the only real Catholic totally embarrassed from the recent “coronation” He refers several times to “the memoirs (ἀπομνημονεύματα) of the apostles” and in one place makes it explicit that these are the gospels, referring to “the memoirs (ἀπομνημονεύματα again) which are also called gospels” (Apology LXVI.3). Of course, there certainly was a council held by the emperor Constantine at his palace in Nicaea between May 20 and around June 19 in 325 AD and at it bishops from across the Roman Empire gathered to vote on several things, including the date of Easter, the role of church law and a number of administrative issues. It also continued for a long time after he died. Niceae or not, the adoption of Christianity by the Romans over time probably had a huge impact on how it developed. In 367 Athanasius wrote his 39th Festal Letter in which he laid out the current twenty-seven books of the New Testament – the first time this canon had been definitively stated by any churchman. It's interesting just how much New Atheist bad history is actually just a repackaging of Protestant historiographical tropes. It was during his reign that Christianity became recognized as the Roman Empire's primary religion. Whether it would have been a good policy or not is beside the point. Constantine was one of the greatest Roman emperors who led Rome during 306 to 337 AD where he is located on the Biblical Timeline Chart with World History. the actions of Pol Pot, Stalin, etc, are a long way from the ideals of socialism) and probably other movements as well. Reincarnation: The Church's Biggest Lie. Anglicans accept all 7 Ecumenical Councils and most other major denomination accept the first 4. They took it into their own hands. The Christian Bible is a collection of 66 books written by various authors. Constantine called a meeting of Christian bishops, the Council of Nicea, to settle the dispute. In the years prior to Constantine, a number of Roman emperors had persecuted the Church Jesus established. Again – what’s the problem, besides christianity not delivering any of them when it became state religion? What again could this astonishing thing be like which people were so anxious to contradict, that in doing so they did not mind contradicting themselves?”. What I mean is that they didn’t just pick them out, but also actively tampered with them. C’est dommage que cette belle recette soit perdue de nos jours. Roman religion was a kind of reciprocal bargain – humans gave the gods honour and worship and got protection and favour in return, a little like the relationship between a patron or sponsor and their client or supplicant in many aspects of Roman society. However, this fact has also been a topic of controversy over a long period of time. Marcion was struck by the strong distinction made by Paul between the Law of the Jews and the gospel of Christ. The fact the NT doesn’t quote the apocrypha means nothing, since it didn’t quote Ruth and many of the minor prophets either. Dungan, a student of early Christianity who has published studies With his instructions fulfilled, Constantine then decreed that the New Testimonies would thereafter be called the "word of the Roman Savior God" (Life of Constantine, vol. His writings in proof of the divinity of Christ demanded the use of these Gospels had they existed in his time. For the first time in nearly 300 … Constantine’s act of “calling himself a Christian and pouring in that flood of wealth and power on the church,” John Wesley charged in 1787, “was productive of more evil to the church than all the ten persecutions put together.” Judging by Constantine’s Bible, David L. Dungan might be sympathetic to that claim. ), “It is reported in the Supplement of the Council of Nicaea that the Fathers, when they had no idea how to determine which were the questionable or apocryphal books of the Old and New Testament, piled all of them disorderly on an altar; and the books to be rejected fell to the ground. As he prayed (it was a little after noon), Constantine had an absorbing vision. Kindle e-Readers Free Kindle Reading Apps Kindle eBooks Kindle Unlimited Prime Reading Deals on Kindle eBooks Best Sellers Free Kindle Reading Apps Kindle eBooks Kindle Unlimited Prime Reading Deals on Kindle eBooks So much of it has been shown to be flawed/contradictory/untrue that I see I ought not base my life on it. The story goes that Constantine had a vision of the words in hoc signo vinces ("in this sign you will conquer") upon a cross, and he swore that, should he triumph against great odds, he would pledge himself to Christianity. I wonder if part of the problem with Christianity allying with political power arose in the 7th and 8th centuries where a fear of Islam, which had conquered much of Eastern Rome, drove the Church into throwing its weight behind Charlemagne, crowning him Emperor of what would be later called the Holy Roman Empire. I tend to agree with the Constantine hijacking idea, not necessarily as his deliberate intention, but simply because christianity, like any ideology, is safer when not allied with political power. an asscrank …. There he began to develop his own Christian theology; one which was quite different to that of his father and of the Christian community in Rome. Textual analysis of Justin Martyr has convinced pretty much everyone that Justin knew both gMatth and gLuke as well as a harmonised form of both. The first is a fifth century reference by Jerome in his Prologue to Judith where he notes the Old Testament book of Judith  was “found by the Nicene Council to have been counted among the number of the Sacred Scriptures”, which they try to argue means the Council did have some kind of discussion on the make up of the canon. But it seems fact checking is not high on the priority list of the so-called rationalists over at “Philosophical Atheism”. The key purpose of the Council, however, was the resolution of the Arian Controversy over the status of Jesus as “God the Son” in relation to “God the Father” in the doctrine of the Trinity. They have nothing to do with my article above. So the silly meme posted without the faintest whiff of scepticism or critical analysis by the so-called rationalists of “Philosophical Atheism” is a crackpot myth peddled by New Agers based on an eighteenth century joke and ninth century folk tale. Why would any non-ideologue care enough to get into politics. It seems that it can be traced to a quip made by Voltaire in reference to a miracle story of no historical value. So the gloriously stupid (and grammatically bizarre) pastiche of nonsense above was posted to “Philosophical Atheism” yesterday, with the group’s followers reverently genuflecting to its mighty historical truth and insight. (It is reported in the Supplement of the Council of Nicaea that the Fathers, when they had no idea how to determine which were the questionable or apocryphal books of the Old and New Testament, piled all of them disorderly on an altar; and the books to be rejected fell to the ground. He lists the works which are generally “acknowledged” (Church History, 3.25.1), including the four canonical gospels, Acts, the Epistles of Paul, 1 John, 1 Peter and the Apocalypse of John/”Revelation” (though he says this is still disputed by some). This understanding led Marcion to put together a canon of Christian Scripture – the first of its kind – which excluded all of the Jewish Scriptures that make up the Old Testament and which included ten of the Epistles of Paul and only one of the gospels: the Gospel of Luke. At Nicea Constantine had 300 versions of the Bible burnt, thus > legitimising and patronizing only the Paulic heresy. So we can confidently say that your favourite Facebook group are even bigger crackpots. Thanks for your good work on this myth (and others too) about Christianity. How can we know? In Czech Republic: Literature …and diplomat, Cyril (originally named Constantine), and his brother Methodius (see Saints Cyril and Methodius).The brothers translated the greater part of the Bible and the essential liturgical texts into what must have been a Slavonic literary language of Cyril’s devising, based on the Macedonian-Slavonic vernacular of his native Salonika… It seems the “Philosophical Atheism” group on Facebook is going to be the New Atheist bad history gift that just keeps on giving. Marcion decided that there were actually two Gods – the evil one who had misled the Jews and the good one revealed by Jesus. Much like many religious believers, ironically enough. To this very day, all of his followers have used that same door: Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit (vitae spiritualis ianua), and the door which gives access to the other sacraments. And they may also have used a variety of other writings, many of which did not find their way into the Bible. It isn’t. If it was just one factor by itself, it could be dismissed. The questions whether the guy(s) did a good job and which standard we use seem far more relevant to atheist me. With his instructions fulfilled, Constantine then decreed that the New Testimonies would thereafter be called the "word of the Roman Savior God" (Life of Constantine, vol. (Constantine actually resisted baptism until he was on his deathbed.) Even if it wasn’t compiled by imperial politicians, that doesn’t give much comfort in trusting the established canon. This work became available in western Europe in the early seventeenth century and so seems to be where whole story came from. “Getting history right is crucial, and noone – neither the religious nor the irreligious – should get a free ride when it comes to instrumentalising the past. FringePop321 Chances are good that you know there were other gospels—accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus—that never made it into the Bible. Dang, an actual atheist website that writes something pertaining to history that isn’t laughable outright. Is it historical, or a Christian legend? Lots of Protestants want to make the break off point later then Constantine though. Alternatively, they point to an account by  Eusebius of Caesarea in his Life of Constantine detailing how the emperor commissioned him to oversee the copying and production of 50 copies of “the sacred Scriptures”. a pseudo-atheist shill for Christian triumphalism [and] delusionally insane.” – Dr. Richard Carrier PhD, unemployed blogger. He was conferred the title of ‘Great’ for playing a crucial role in the advancement of the Christian religion and is remembered as Constantine The Great. And it continued. Thanks for writing all that. During Constantine’s reign, controversy arose over the teachings of Arius, who denied the full divinity of Jesus. They worship the Bible, and not the God who commissioned it. So the central historical claim in the meme is total and complete garbage, but if that’s so, where did the myth come from? This is crackpot stuff. One of the most enduring myths today about the Council of Nicaea is that the council members voted on which books to include in the Bible. Constantine’s decision to cease the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire was a turning point for early Christianity, sometimes referred to as the Triumph of the Church, the Peace of the Church, or the Constantinian Shift. Probably to signify that they define hopefully core, binding doctrines. His decision was not unusual in a day when many Christians believed one could not be forgiven after baptism. The point is that championing Christianity would not have helped achieve it. a tinfoil hatter …. How's the book going? Do you know anything about that? (Constantine actually resisted baptism until he was on his deathbed.) The full development of the canon took several centuries, though the basics of which gospels were to be included was settled by 200 AD at least. The council condemned Arius and the Arian heresy that Christ is a created being and revised the creed to clarify the equality of God the Father and God the Son. Book-burning is basically admitting that they are afraid of the text, and don’t trust HS to keep the Bible clean. Question: "Did Constantine decide what books belonged in the Bible?" Constantine wanted a Bible which would be acceptable to pagans as well as Christians, and Eusebius (the Bishop of Caesaria and a follower of Origen) was assigned to direct this task. This row actually had echoes down church history, because the filioque clause in the Creed which triggered the schism between Roman Catholic and orthodox churches in 1054, originally came from an attempt in 6th Century Spain to defend the Trinitarian position against Arianism, which had remained popular in Northern Europe. Alarmed at his success, other Christian leaders began to preach and write vigorously against Marcion’s ideas and it seems that his canon of eleven works inspired anti-Marcionite Christians to begin to define which texts were and were not Scriptural. Yet you claim that Constantine had the King James Version written in A.D. 325. The statement of the Council on this matter formed the Nicene Creed which became the basis of future Christological formulations (and the subject of later disputes on the matter). They originally circulated simply as accounts of Jesus’ life and were only given their current attributions later in the second century. “They originally circulated simply as accounts of Jesus’ life and were only given their current attributions later in the second century.”. But when we do we find that they are the same. Indeed, without being aware of the scholarly consensus, it’s obvious the guy(s) did a fine job picking the stuff that comes closest to early christianity. By that stage a lot of the earlier variants were quite small and many others had ceased to exist. People who are already atheists latch on to silly ideas to justify to themselves. I don't disagree about the inherent dangers of power combined with religion, but even today we find negotiating a suitable and workable separation of church and state difficult. Interestingly, the utterances of ecumenical councils like Nicea, are also called "canon's." But this request (and another one made to Athanasius of Alexandria around the same time) simply reflects the fact that such an enterprise was so massively expensive that it took Imperial sponsorship to fund it and it seems to be one of many acts of patronage of Christianity by Constantine, not some attempt at establishing a canon of his own. M an atheist because I find no evidence for any gods, Christian or otherwise believe the Bible immune. Constantine I ( Latin: Flavius Valerius Constantinus ; Greek: Κωνσταντῖνος, translit wasn ’ t.... 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